Explore the complexities of a Jamaican family as the on screen adaptation of the book ‘Black Cake’ debuts as a mini series on Hulu. Kerry Ann and I discuss how one our favorite books come to life in the series through episode 4. as we pull back the curtain on the adaptation process, beginning with the mini-series 'Black Cake'. We'll explore the intriguing world of Covey, the protagonist, and delve into the ardent set design and location that caught our eyes. Prepare for an honest critique of the on character accents and a wholesome summary of the plot, including the compelling reasons behind Covey's preference for recording her family secrets.
We're not one to shy away from controversy, so gear up for a discussion on the unnecessary villainization of characters and the missed chances to go deeper into our protagonist's journey. We assure you, this exploration of the weighty issues of secrets and family dynamics will leave you thinking long after the episode ends. Whether you're a literary enthusiast or just love a good story, this episode promises to be an engaging ride.
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Explore the complexities of a Jamaican family as the on screen adaptation of the book ‘Black Cake’ debuts as a mini series on Hulu. Kerry Ann and I discuss how one our favorite books come to life in the series through episode 4. as we pull back the curtain on the adaptation process, beginning with the mini-series 'Black Cake'. We'll explore the intriguing world of Covey, the protagonist, and delve into the ardent set design and location that caught our eyes. Prepare for an honest critique of the on character accents and a wholesome summary of the plot, including the compelling reasons behind Covey's preference for recording her family secrets.
We're not one to shy away from controversy, so gear up for a discussion on the unnecessary villainization of characters and the missed chances to go deeper into our protagonist's journey. We assure you, this exploration of the weighty issues of secrets and family dynamics will leave you thinking long after the episode ends. Whether you're a literary enthusiast or just love a good story, this episode promises to be an engaging ride.
Bring home Bob Marley: One Love on Digital now! Celebrate the life and music of an icon who inspired generations through his message of love, peace, and unity. Buy Bob Marley: One Love on Digital today and get over 50 minutes of behind-the-scenes footage and deleted scenes! Available at participating retailers. Rated PG-13. From Paramount Pictures.
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Hello everyone and welcome to another edition of the Style and Vibes podcast with yours truly Makayla. If you are new here, welcome to the family. If you are returning, welcome back family. Today I'm joined by Kariyanne Reed of Brown. Once again, today we are talking about Black Cake. Say hi to the people in, kari.
Speaker 2:I was going to say hello, but you're just a run-france minion like Kariyanne Reed, bro, today we are going like not even a little pause, so we can't just breathe. I was getting ready for say hi.
Speaker 1:We have enough things to talk about now, because we know that episode y'all got a lot.
Speaker 2:No, we're going to keep it at a decent length.
Speaker 1:We'll see, we'll see. But in our last episode we talked a lot about Caribbean character development in film and in television and both Kari and I have read this book as well as started watching the series on Hulu. It's none other than Black Cake, which is a book based off the same name, say by Charmaine Wilkerson. It's her first book. I didn't realize it's her first novel and it only came out like a few years ago, so it got really great accolades and got picked up for a mini series. So I actually listened to the Audible. I didn't read the physical book.
Speaker 2:I love books, menodasha book. But you know what I said Mia audiobook run from 19 oh long. True, true, I have receipts, but the audiobook performance? Can you know what I mean? Yeah, critique the accent and performance and saying I loved the audiobook, loved it.
Speaker 1:Yes, at the time that we are recording this, we've only gone through four episodes. There are a total of six, so this is a great preview. If you haven't exactly seen all of it, we won't give it away in terms of I mean, we know what happens from a plot line perspective, but if you haven't watched it yet, it's a great time to kind of watch it. There are going to be some spoilers, so if you don't want the spoilers, then you're going to have to tune in after you've already watched it. But by the time this has released, we will have watched the entire thing. So let's get into so far. Book versus mini series what do you like and what do you dislike?
Speaker 2:Hands down. If you're listening and you haven't watched the Hulu series, just stop. Well, no, stop listen to this, listen and then go and listen to the audiobook or read the book before you watch this Hulu series. That is at my absolute recommendation. It is a phenomenal book Because maybe jumping, but by episode.
Speaker 2:The inner episode two, our preview, episode three must start disconnect from the series because my sister, they're already there they mess around with the whole the story floor in the book for this TV adaptation. So you know, with each episode, episode three I kind of check out, become an episode that did go. I'm going to really like how them do it, but they might try to do it for dramatic effect, but they don't like it. And by four I'm just like whatever. So you know I'll commit to it because I'm one more support the lady, the lady of Jamaican heritage, and say our team is supported. But you know I'm feeling from staying true to the story and some people might say it's just a small variation. But those variations matter and there's some crucial things that I thought like I never really like. So I just submitted.
Speaker 1:Alright, so let's get into it. What are those crucial things? Because at this point, if you're not watching, go back and watch, but if you're watching, stay tuned. So what you never like, or maybe we should start off with what we liked. How about that? Carrie's like? I didn't like so much. Alright, go on no.
Speaker 2:I mean, no, alright, I liked that they picked a location right. If I were to picture how they describe the cove, I would definitely picture a Frenchman's cove type, blue lagoon type, setting right. So for location scouting they did a good job. The shop, how the shop did set up and everything. I liked that because it felt nostalgic to me growing up in Jamaica and the shop them down the road, cross the road, whatever, right, even the cheer Pannevaranda. Now, maybe this was just a bit nitpicky and a continuity thing, but the little rotary for that ended up in the kitchen. I mean, I said 1956, I think I did my rotary for when they bought a Jamaica, but okay, again, they didn't nitpicky about it. Accents on a spectrum again right, but the father accent meeting them. Dub over theme line them. There's something we're talking about Covey's father, yeah, covey's father.
Speaker 1:So let's go back.
Speaker 1:The main character is Covey yes, sorry so Covey is the main character and I think what is really interesting is in the book you don't necessarily immediately draw the connection because of the way that the book kind of develops.
Speaker 1:You're, you're, you're not sure if Eleanor is Covey or if Covey is someone related to Eleanor right off the bat, so that mystery and intrigue doesn't come until a few chapters into the book. Because they have different names, right, and you you learn why she has two different names immediately as the the film kind of goes on. So it's really her story about how she had her name change, all of her family secrets that she has harbored essentially to her grave, and she decides to share all of these secrets in an audio version recording through her lawyer when she has passed. There's definitely a reason why she did it in a recording setting. She was able to kind of go through the entire story and share it without interruption from her children. Because I honestly I don't think if the two kids had came together Benny and Byron, if they had reconnected, do you think that she would have told them in person?
Speaker 2:and I really don't think so she wouldn't have the time, they would have interrupted and she, you know she might have shut down or whatever. But you know, true, to black people, caribbean people, a finarala wedding, but most of the finaral story come to bomb. You know, I let it the thing number, so make a back, sorry, it's usually at funerals and these things that you know, all the things come to light new children, different children, all these things, secrets and secrets come out yes, yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 1:In in the in the series on Hulu, you see, it didn't play out really early. Her her childhood kind of took a little bit longer in the book, I think. Then it it starts off with her childhood and she immediately goes back to that space. So you're talking about her childhood space when she was in Jamaica living with her dad and the house that she grew up in, the business that he had and the areas that she frequented as an adolescent is what Kerry's referring to yes, yes, and her father.
Speaker 2:Again, they're not getting a Chinese Jamaican actor to play this person. And so I keep looking at the, the, the mouth movement of the actor and what I'm hearing. I'm like why this feels like they dubbed over the the father's lines, right, so it had someone else who was able to mimic somewhat kind of a Jamaican accent to compensate for, maybe, the real accent that the person had on the show. That's just what I I don't know, maybe it's me, I get it. They did it for dramatic effect because we're condensing a book into like six series. But I think the way they made those changes, I just did not like them. For instance, the biggest change was and I guess in the day and age that we're in right the biggest change was when Benny kind of came out to Covey. That didn't happen in the book.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that, being a book it was money, money, yeah bunny for bunny and in the end they will know bunny is Benny, not, not in the same character, but she was named for yeah after after bunny, it was much more powerful the way that I felt like she was just like, she just was in, she was just existing. So I think that was just like mmm and it was still kind of implied throughout the book, but you're reading like there was just so much coming at you.
Speaker 1:The other thing I don't like was and it was a bit Honestly, in the book it was very like the tone was there, but she never actually came out and said that.
Speaker 2:She Exactly so that was that. The other aspect or variation was when they had Kofi up and down all over London I look for work. I was just like that wasn't something that was conveyed in the book. Right, I like the nod to the struggle that the immigrant community would have been experiencing, but I thought it took up too much real estate for something that almost anybody watching already kind of knows right.
Speaker 1:So maybe that whole experience and could I condense that and focus on no, spend more time on the other things- I think also, even in that situation, in particular, the savior complex of the company owner, like she didn't really have that complexity, and the way that she threw her coworker under the bus, like she was already under. No, that whole thing was a lie, michaela. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that whole thing was not part of the original plot, right At all. Yes, she literally just had the job, and she had the job before even going to.
Speaker 2:Scotland. The company held the job because they're sorry for them, because they had the accident, so she didn't have to go through the rigmarole to find a job. And then somebody say like that was just like why? Why did we put this in here? The character didn't make space for that because it was like given. So if this book is about us like, we don't need to villainize this anymore.
Speaker 2:Give it more space in the story even though it needs to be a villain, but there are other things that you know. No, no, no, it just to me that was a waste.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then even like the coworker that tried to warn, her. I'm like that never happened and I think that was. I was okay with the bunny um covey connection because it there's a nod to it in the book. It doesn't explicitly state it but the the the part for me that I'm like oh, this is in her leg, like the, the limp that she had with her leg. That wasn't really the case, at least I don't even think that that was alluded to in the book.
Speaker 2:So it was never alluded. It's straight.
Speaker 1:A lot from like it's straight a lot in that particular plot scene, I think.
Speaker 2:Right and then accelerating the timeline when she book upon Gibbs right Like yes, cause there's not like she.
Speaker 1:Just there's a whole bunch of stuff Like yeah, yeah, it was just like okay. And, if I can't remember, did she told Gibbs knew about the baby.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't know.
Speaker 1:He didn't know. Okay, I wasn't sure. I'm like, I feel like, but maybe no, no, he didn't know.
Speaker 2:So the, the, the former friend book, upon them. I was like this did not happen in the book. Yeah, like some really odd them say yo we're going to jump fins before people call fine or something Like.
Speaker 1:I would have loved if they had expen. So there are parts where they expanded. So, like her, her work schedule, like, like where she worked, was expanded in the in the series that it wasn't in the book. I didn't like the way that it necessarily played out. But I think how they got to the U? S from, from England, they didn't really talk about that either, at least not up until this point. So you know, as it was easier to move around back then, as she alludes to, yes, but you still had to make preparation and plans, but they made it seem like they just hopped on a plane and just ended up in California, in Orange County at that. Like well, how did you end up in that particular space was a little bit aloof to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, they expanded in areas and changed our added stuff that I don't think was necessary and the parts that I felt like they really should have expanded. Because in the book they landed in New York and then they, they, they moved west to California and they moved to Orange County because at the time Orange County was still country, was farmland, you know, so they were able to kind of get settled out there. This is why I'm going to check out Benny Covey's adult daughter. Now Bunny is her childhood friend. Benny look like she never live in New York. How they're making Byron not get the job. That's not kind of how it was the way that Benny was the supportive sibling of Byron. I'm like that never happened away.
Speaker 2:I love water and then you know Lynette and Byron, you know that whole. It was just like you know. But I get that they're trying to to hurry up and create the backdrop within the six, the six episodes. But it was just each time like episode one and two I could get with by three and four, three. I checked out. I was like okay, this is too much for. I was like be have gone, watch it, midon.
Speaker 1:I'm actually I really liked Byron and Benny's relationship and how it it showcased very differently than in the book. But you have to remember they went back to their childhood a lot in the book, in the beginning of the book, so you don't necessarily get Byron and Benny's childhood they. They have to talk about it in order for the audience members to really connect on how close they initially were and then grew apart. So I liked that they adjusted the their connection. I think it also is a nod to that brother, sister relationship or siblings. That kind of fall out and then have a reason to kind of come together and remember why they had the relationship that they had in the first place. So I feel like the, the character who played Benny, adrian Warren, I think she was spot on Like. I feel like the, the casting for Benny and Byron were absolutely perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I could give them that.
Speaker 1:Because Byron is actually more handsome in the movie than I envisioned him in the book. But when I saw Benny, I was just like, yeah, this is exactly what I pictured in my head as Benny, even down to like her nuances and how she was very emotional and you know, I had this like it's me against the world kind of attitude. I think her character is probably one of the best casted in the entire series. Hmm.
Speaker 2:I mean, is it still the essence of the book?
Speaker 1:for me, yeah, and they did keep a lot. They kept a lot from the book it is moving quickly but they did keep a whole lot from the book. They didn't like her father, the childhood little man. That's what I'm going to say Marriage Pearl. Why did they kill off Pearl?
Speaker 2:That's what I know. They allude to it, but they didn't say that the man with the truck or the car in that day the car yeah, drive down.
Speaker 1:When the people that turn around and they like just flicker in that face, you know sitting there after that.
Speaker 2:Well, I think. But this has to be a gross, a gross misrepresentation of the book. They can't kill off people in a movie when they're dead in a book, because it's not the end, because she's in the end. But anyway, that's why I said episode one and two were fine. It's when it got to. She did come up. She did in England. That's when it started to get murky. When she traveled overseas, that's when it started to get different.
Speaker 1:So um, and you know what? What I did like that it showed. So there's a moment between um, gibbs and Covey in their new life as Byron and Eleanor, where he slips and he calls her Covey in front of their children. The children don't necessarily pick it up, but it immediately draws this and that must have happened.
Speaker 2:The book didn't talk about that, but I love that they the book did talk about it, the incident that that particular incident did not happen as it happened on film. It happened when they were on a fishing trip and, um uh, the same thing happened. The father said Covey, but the kids thought he said lovey, and so that's how they were able to make it pass. But they did say they remembered how upset their mother was at the time. So the same scenario, but instead of at of during fishing you know a family outing fishing they did it at home, in the dining room setting. So that did happen in the book.
Speaker 1:But they softened that right.
Speaker 1:They did soften it a lot because they yes, the kids were just like yeah, and then even when her, the mom, removed herself and, um, gibbs comes in and consoles her and he's kind of like like I couldn't imagine that happening, especially coming from his character that the book didn't necessarily explore Like, did they really want like and these are behind closed doors conversations, right, so we, we wouldn't have necessarily heard it play out in front of the children, but that was always something that, um, I was curious about. Like, how did like this never really come up, like in their relationship? I like that we get to see Gibbs and and and Covey in this adult relationship that we really didn't get to experience in the book.
Speaker 2:Right, because most mention of him was, you know it was very brief, cause he died. It was just like here's where we accomplished, and you know, like little moments of of Gibbs, and even going back to the first part, are the second part, where they showed Gibbs at the wedding, missa Gibbs, nobody at the wedding Gibbs, and they are firing. He was already in it. Yeah, so I mean, but again, you know, adding to the mystery of who killed Lickerman. I understand.
Speaker 1:So but you know what, even in the book, like we know that it's Pearl, but they haven't really alluded to it Pearl yet it was.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was Pearl.
Speaker 1:Pearl is the one who plays in him with the cake.
Speaker 2:No, it was not Pearl. Who was it? It's Bonnie. So who, so who with the power? Who done it? Who done it? It's it's Bonnie Duit. It wasn't Pearl. Is Bonnie Duit, it's Bonnie Duit, granted.
Speaker 1:Now I'm gonna read back the book, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Which Japanese is that I? I? I could be wrong too, but I think I'm Bonnie Duit.
Speaker 1:Missa wears her pearl because she was interested to take care of the and she was the one who was baking the cake.
Speaker 2:But Anna, the cake killing her, the wine and the drinks, and when they form her, they melt.
Speaker 1:Me think that at the cake.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:That's why the why, that's why the book called it called Black Cake at the.
Speaker 2:Cake. No, it's not the cake. It's not called Black Cake because of the cake.
Speaker 1:I know, I know that's, but I feel like that's a better story.
Speaker 2:Hi, google it, I, I, I think it's. I think I'm Bonnie, I think Bonnie did it. Wait, wait, who did it? Who killed Lickerman? Little man, little man, little man in black cake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it comes up. It comes up. Who killed Lickerman Pearl? Yes, it's pearl.
Speaker 2:I. I think it's Bonnie who did it.
Speaker 1:I think it's pearl. Whosa is pearl Musclecom.
Speaker 2:When did bustle write that Couple of Diego?
Speaker 1:Probably.
Speaker 2:Yeah, All right In the book, in the audio book, can we clearly listen to the audio book right?
Speaker 1:My foot got back.
Speaker 2:Kovie Fardas said he noticed something when it came to Bonnie right and and and, even in at the same hole or something. Bonnie can't go back to the episode one where Bonnie was like you know, satan or, but she was always clumsy. So when she knuck over the glass and she switched the glass, them in episode one of the same whole series. I don't know what you're gonna watch, but me listen. Remington Steele, matlach, everything. Perry Mason, bonnie, duit, that's my final answer. Go back to episode one of Hulu. It wasn't pearl, no pearl. And Kovie Fardas, old Panevaranda chat is. Bonnie was there and and and. When Lickerman said clean up my wife, right, because everybody in in in the Hulu she was like you know, everybody knows that she clumsy, right, but me already I said I'm going to do it because, based on the audiobook, it was alluding to her doing it, not pearl. Pearl thought about doing it because she didn't keep it in our pockets, but pearl, never pearl never do it.
Speaker 2:And then I'm probably in the fritter back foot said they won't go come fear because you know, whatever, because she she said, if I could I would isolate the pies and the rat pies and put it in at the slice.
Speaker 1:But she couldn't. She thought about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, you're right, you're right, I'm not pearl doing it. When they say I pearl, they never listen to the book. Good, listen to me tell you, bonnie did it.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, now, now I remember, because it it talks about how Pearl felt and she thought about it, but she didn't do it.
Speaker 2:That's that that was to distract who know and keep. The book is murder mystery. All of this wrap up in a one you know. You know Roman murder mystery.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Right, so it's money. See, sorry everybody, spoilers for spoilers, but it's not really a spoiler if you read the book, but you know, yeah, yeah, watch it, still go back.
Speaker 1:So yes, I was wrong people. Yes, kerry is right.
Speaker 2:Listen. I will listen to this book again, cause it was just that.
Speaker 1:No, yeah. Yeah, I liked the plot line in the book and I like how it really developed, but I think one of the underlying themes are kind of like family secrets and things that we keep to ourselves and marinate over and how it transpires from generation to generation and a lot of times, unless you get the opportunity to really talk about it, they often do go to the grave, and that must be super challenging. I recently read that you know, kerry Washington revealed that she, her father, isn't biologically her father.
Speaker 2:That's what inspired her to write, the book.
Speaker 1:That's what inspired her to write her book and I thought that that was. And she's an adult and she's famous and if she I'm not true, you know there's plenty of people where you know can can kind of relate to the storyline.
Speaker 2:But I mean it's. It happens in to every single one of us, right? Like the idea of being vulnerable, feeling judged, and every one of us are in our own little silos, thinking we're the only ones going through it, and this level of shame that we feel within ourselves and we project that that's the, the judgment and the shame that we'll get, yes, that that could be a real thing that we will get. And so a lot of people carry burdens. You know there's a lot of us who go through that. You know some people may never say and some people might say weeks monthly. I said this is going to go through and you said why you never telling me Sometimes? And sometimes you have to work out some of these things yourself before you get here. But why some of these? Some of these things are heavy, because when is the right time to tell a child that they were conceived through a sperm donor, right? When is the right time to tell that child when that child is happy as a parent? You know, like there's no manual that come in at a box when we got a hospital and a baby come out. So we're we're figuring this thing out and we don't know.
Speaker 2:And you know, my uncle used to say this a lot and it wasn't until until yesteryear, like literally, like maybe a couple years ago. I really get to understand it. He's like the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I just it just like we a mean, like it just is one of the Empirables we are just like. What does mean? Tell me exactly. And it's like in Kerry's case, there were good intentions, why her parents did not tell her or disclose that to her right, and there there's. There was no way they would foresee this happening. And it's so easy to judge people as a well, for a minute you get famous, but at the law because whatever right, but the right time was the time she, they told her, because we don't ever know when is the right time. And, like you said with Kofi, that may have been the right time. That was her freedom and her peace, her doing all of these things. That what you know, I mean it's it's so easy to judge.
Speaker 2:Instead, I look at these stories as, while the characters are fictional, somebody out there has had this experience, or an amalgamation of all these experiences, and it's that's why I love books. These are lessons in how you deal with situations that may arise, not necessarily in your life personally, but your friends life, right, you know some people go through stuff so it's easy to say, boy, I would, I never do that, right, even even the story with the father, like when I was watching it with Nico, nico, so like he was like what is this? But also he's saying it because he, that was a thing back then. You know it's just like, but for us, and Did we have this conversation? We had a conversation that when we're looking at things in a new society compared to how an old society did things, it's very jarring.
Speaker 2:Yes, very jarring. You're like ah, you understand, because we're, we're, we're such a progressive Society. No verses back then. So it's, it's just very jarring, but the reality is those things were happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know a Long time this marriages were happening for a long time. Yeah, they probably still happen from the marriages definitely still happen.
Speaker 1:So especially to kind of you know ideals around preservation and you know generational, you know transition of wealth, all of those things have only recently kind of Culturally been, and I say recently, I would say in the last maybe 75 years. That means you know there are still people alive who are the product of those types of marriages and some still are, right we're. We don't discuss that and disclose that so openly now, um I, but again, yeah, looking at it through that lens you can kind of understand the timeframe and we have to be careful to kind of look at things through that time machine lens. So I know we haven't really finished. Are you planning, based on our conversation, are you planning to finish the series? Are you done?
Speaker 2:Begrudgingly. I will finish it because I want to see how they do the rest of it. Like I said, I will support it, you know, but I want to see how the rest of it. But I'm not fully committed. You know, like how I've been watching. It is just like all right, I'm gonna run my laptop at the work. I will hear the dialogue. I kiss me teeth you know, yeah, because like what happened now? This not in the book. What happened now?
Speaker 1:Well, I think a lot of people will watch the movie or read the book or read. If you watch the movie, if you watch the series, you're not necessarily gonna go back to read the book, but if you read the book you'll have a visual representation of what. I think they did a really good job at the visualizations of the book and bringing it to life. Some of the plot lines kind of veered off from the book, but I think that that's normal in TV adaptations of books. They're not always exactly the same, and I know if I watch.
Speaker 2:Me, teacher, me teacher. I from the year was one before Harry Potter was popular. The year was one. The year was one, yeah, from the year was one. I've had Harry Potter books before Harry Potter was popular. I've been reading the books. So that series kept as true to the book as possible. They had to obviously truncate it for a film, but there were no wild veering off the characters and what the characters did and didn't do.
Speaker 1:So there are books that I've read and they're like you got the heavy mythological variation of a book, so they can't really stray too far from the vision, like that's a. One book is a dictionary of descriptions, so the entire screenplay was written in that book. Novels themselves, I would say how Stella Got Her Group Back, even Disappearing Acts. I'm trying to think of some other books turned.
Speaker 1:Waiting to exhale, but they're like drama waiting to exhale, like those aren't exact depictions of what happened in the story, like plot lines, yes, but certain things they just didn't happen. And, to be completely transparent, if there were previous books that were movies and films and I watched the movies and films first, I'm not going back to the book. So, like the Pretty Little Fires, firefly Lane, like those are all series that I enjoy that were books originally books.
Speaker 1:And I'm not gonna go read the book after, because I already have the visual reference and if it doesn't match up, it's going. It's different to read a book and then for me it's different to read the book and then get the visual reference. But if I have the visual reference, I'm always going to be referencing the visual reference that I have to the book, so I'm not gonna go back.
Speaker 2:Right, but that's with anyone right. So that's why, although it's a mythical thing, most people who are diehard fans of series and books, they are going to feel a certain type of way because they know the stories, the characters deeply and if any adaptation veers too far from it, they're not gonna be happy. I'm not saying I'm unhappy, I've just lost interest because it was just the way it was told was great and I just again I'm already four episodes in my Tazwell watched the recites just because Mikasa made me watch the recites.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also like that. It's not exactly the same, so it's not super predictable either. So there might be some things that they either leave or miss out, like if you think about, like comic books, those, the Marvel characters, dc, like all of those veer off from even I watched the Walking Dead those are completely different plot lines by like season eight.
Speaker 2:Miggie or not, but there's still a bunch of people who are said, because I went to the dinner the other night, and people are just like no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm more interested in like biopics being depicted accurately. I'm gonna watch the biopics James Brown, that was so good. Oh, like those backup back.
Speaker 2:I shouldn't say bio-pic I don't watch, then historical slavery stuff.
Speaker 2:so on Jedi years I sleep them, but like musical ones, like the James Brown one is the best one, and the Ray, those are the best, like what I mean. Well done. Oh my goodness, like he and Chadwick embodied James Brown. And and so the Jamie and Ray. But this is not a bio-pic. Yeah, black cake is a great book, it's. It's even great as an audiobook. I wrote a review on it and, you know, enjoy the rest of the series. You know what we're going to do is I'm watching it to show up so that the executive powers that be, we'll see that people want to watch series, films, content that center strong Caribbean Characters, plot storylines, everything them are gonna show up full force and we want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's the reason why I keep to it. We're gonna support it. It's like, you see, you know the thing that I want this, the series I told you to watch where you know, because there was only the Jefferson's and the good times On TV, so black people then. But then was like must see TV, appointment TV. Well, when Caribbean people show up and Like a film about a Caribbean story, that pan TV, we're gonna show up. Show up, yeah, that's it, that's what we're doing. Even though I'm in a like certain things, we still are gonna show up. That is what we do, right but I support.
Speaker 2:I mean tell people.
Speaker 1:To tell people, that mean I like it. I.
Speaker 2:Mean listen. This conversation is a valuable conversation because we can support a thing because it needs to be supported. But we can also give the critique of a thing, and that's important, right? We? We can say, oh, I'm gonna like it, you know, we're going to still support that thing because we don't. We, we don't have that many options for the big pick on Choose about it. So yeah, yeah we can't ask for it get something and don't support. When you have multiple options, then we can say alright, look here.
Speaker 1:You can pick, choose and refuse exactly Exactly. Yeah, well, that is it for us. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. Make sure that you listen to black cake or, via audible, read the book Also. Watch these series on Hulu. If you get a chance. And we would love to hear your thoughts, carrie, I will link to your review of the book in our show in our show notes, so you guys can check that out. And until next time, lea time it beeps like a more people.
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